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Wasn't there a mass slam of all the adults who got into Harry Potter also? I think anything that can get kids to read a novel is a good thing. Parents who read the books to have something to talk about with their kids deserve a pat on the back. Picking up a book that is a fun and easy read nice timeout for ANYONE. Being able to lose yourself in a story is what an author strives for, if they are lucky enough to get a movie deal that is fucking money baby! I have not read or seen any Twilight and only read the first two Harry Potter books, but you have inspired me to check out Twilight and finish Harry Potter. A ton of my girlfriends have suggested both.
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I believed that it showcased literary themes that our whole bloody language is based on.
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I agree, in that she did use words to write the book, and that's about as literary as Mrs. Meyer got. Period.
Personally I don't hate Twilight, I nothing it.
My hate is reserved for the writer Stephenie Meyer and her fans. She managed to single-handedly create a swirling mass of squealing teen fan-girls that descend upon all my local bookstores in a mad rush to buy up her latest book.
It used to be that I could spend a leisurely afternoon in a quiet bookstore only interrupted by the occasional kid looking for a cliff-notes version of a book to pass a test, or an older lady shopping for a younger relative under the mistaken impression that most kids today enjoy reading as much as her generation did.
Now?
You can't even walk in the fiction aisles, or hear yourself think over the high pitched chatter and various electronic buzzes and bleeps of the "Twi-tards" texting each other even though they're in the same fucking store.
So in closing, kindly fuck Stephenie Meyer with a rusty crucifix. |
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See, You can't win
| by Anza | (themagnificentscribe@yahoo.com) | | on Jul 26, 2010 10:36:01 AM | | (#28840) |
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with that argument because you've both
A- Categorized the people who like it.
B- And you ignore the whole concept and dislike the people who like it,\without actually knowing it. |
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But tell me I'm wrong about anything I said.
As a fan of Mrs. Meyers works are you telling me that you don't see the armies of teen girls and forty-something ladies squeeing every time they think about their sparkly boyfriend?
The fact that because you enjoy the same reading material as they do that you're automatically lumped in with them and assumed to be as equally fucktarded.
And doesn't that piss you off?
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ugh.
| by raven | (duz ur face hurt its killin me) | | on Jul 25, 2010 12:54:52 AM | | (#28824) |
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defending these books is like defending your love of harlequin romance novels: you cannot win this unless you come at it from an angle of admitting it is a guilty pleasure. it is technically poorly written, engineered to feed off the feelings of insecurity of the girls reading it by not describing the main character in anything more than a loose, dull, poorly drawn sketch. it's infused with the author's weird religious and sexual issues. it's just... bad.
IDIOTIC SPOILER ALERT: i have not read these books, but i know plenty about them from friends of mine who guiltily indulge. including -- yes -- my younger brother. "they're SO BAD!" says a reader of based-on-movies sci-fi novels. "he performs a c-section, literally, with his fangs. the werewolf guy takes one look at their weird baby that was practically killing her from the inside and says, 'i'm gonna fuck that baby, once it's all old enough and shit.' it's so bad, raven, SO BAD!" when i questioned a middle-aged woman who was wearing a twilight shirt if these were true spoilers, she replied slowly, "well.... yes...." HOW IS THIS GOOD LITERATURE?
since i haven't read the books, and i always want to know what the kids and apparently their moms are into these days, i watched the movies. stoned. i laughed my ass off. the writing in the movies was piss poor too.
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oh no
| by raven | (duz ur face hurt its killin me) | | on Jul 28, 2010 11:04:30 PM | | (#28855) |
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thank YOU, for proving to me you are a complete moron with zero reading comprehension skills and a martyr complex.
i did not criticize you; i criticized the books. now i will criticize you personally. please remember that you asked for it.
you are delusional and also you can't read. which explains why you like twilight.
it is fine for you to think it's awesome; but realize not everyone thinks the way you do. including people who are not twelve and girls. that is the nature of opinions. EVERYONE'S GOT THEM AND JUST CUZ THEY DON'T LIKE VAAAAMMMMPYRES OR SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T LIKE YOU; YOU ARE NOT IN THE BOOK. since you don't understand this, maybe you should learn to laugh at yourself, instead of being a pathetic loser who shrilly believes that just because people don't agree with your opinions, they are bad, wrong people who hate you personally.
here's some advice for getting through junior high: find other people to befriend with mormon leanings who have fantasies of necrophilia and bestiality to write fanfiction with.... OR hide what you like because other people think it's lame because you're a follower... or GROW A FUCKING PAIR AND STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU LIKE IN REAL LIFE, AND FUCK EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU WHINY LITTLE BITCH. you just want someone to lash out at anonymously since you can't do it directly to the bitchy girls who dumped you without being further made fun of and ganged up on for being sad and lame.
something tells me people think you suck for more reasons than just twilight; it's simply the easiest thing for them to blame it on. |
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aww thanks!
| by raven | (duz ur face hurt its killin me) | | on Aug 9, 2010 06:06:22 PM | | (#28945) |
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Ooh, this is fun.
| by Anza | (themagnificentscribe@yahoo.com) | | on Aug 2, 2010 07:11:21 PM | | (#28911) |
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Yes, I do have a rather unfortunate martyr complex. It gets in the way.
No, see, it doesn't bother me that other people don't think its awesome. Not at all. But I'm seen as a lesser person for thinking its awesome, and admitting it. As for your belief that in the other comment, you didn't insult me, look again. Perhaps I was a bit over sensitive. But so are you, for getting THAT angry, and attacking me personally. Even though I asked for it, Apparently.
No. I'm not going to hide my feelings or blend with another group who are the same as I am (Although, junior high beastialic mormons WOULD be a taste of diversity) Because you don't like them. I'm angry that I'm made fun of. Yes, I am. But, I'm not going to change who I am because you or anyone else aren't okay with it.
I'm totally okay with you, Raven. I have nothing against you (martyr complex coming in here) because you seem to not get anything I'm saying. Which is fine. I'm not lashing out on anyone on here. this is a forum on which to piss and moan about things, and I have. That being said, I would like to wash my hands of you. Because at this point, you are being just a touch nonsensical. |
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"As for your belief that in the other comment, you didn't insult me, look again"
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I don't know about raven but I did look again, and I can't see where you are being insulted in her first comment.
Would you like to point out and quote the exact sentence/s?
It would be really helpful in order to get an accurate picture of your reading & comprehension skills, or maybe even to illustrate our (the rest of us who fail at being you) collective lack thereof.
This is your big chance to prove us all wrong, don't be shy.
If you don't, I'm going to have to go ahead and assume you might have an over-reading problem. That is, you tend to read things where no such things are written.
Which, surprise, seems to explain how you read a Nobel prize into Ms. Meyer's 9th grade-level scribblings. |
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Oi, querida...
| by Anza | (themagnificentscribe@yahoo.com) | | on Aug 9, 2010 11:19:22 AM | | (#28939) |
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The thing is, the quote thing may not exactly work, because there was a huge level of condescension. I was coming at the series, as I stated in my actual rant, that Twilight made sense as to having literary merit. Now, I could present my reasoning on this, which I only touched upon up there, but I doubt anyone would listen. Point is, I tried to take this from an intelligent standpoint. And what I got was that admitting this like admitting an affinity for harlequinn romance novels. And a breakdown of the books with a hateful edge. Of course, what we're missing is the fact that I never complained she insulted me- I said 'Thank you for proving me right and completely missing my point.' Which was immediately misconstrued as "You insulted me. BRAGH." What I meant by it was:
This is proof of what I stated- that people don't argue this from a literary standpoint. They write me off. Now, if Raven here had said something to the effect of "Okay. But it does have serious flaws in that Jacob's affection for Renneesme is rushed and unexplained. In fact, all of the downfalls of wolves are explained by the word imprint and nothing else," Instead of saying the werewolf wanted to fuck her- I wouldn't have minded that much. I probably would've understood. Instead, there was such a level of "Okay, I'm coming down to your level which I assume is one of someone from junior high." in such a judgemental fashion...
Now, I'm not blameless here. I should have established this before- that I was not insulted, that I said what I said because she had proved me right with her level of condescension. Instead, I said she had insulted me in my reply to her rant about why I was a horrible person, because, at that point, what was behind the condescension flew into the open. What do you want from me? I'm human. I defend where attacked, and though the fault is my own in that aspect (and that aspect only, haha) I'm not sure anyone else would've done differently.
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| by raven | (duz ur face hurt its killin me) | | on Aug 9, 2010 04:41:55 PM | | (#28944) |
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discussing anything with you is like pulling teeth. VAMPYRE TEETHS.
the comparison of these books to harlequin is adequate and easily supportable. off the top of my head... both appeal to the romantic sensibilities of unsatisfied females. both educate young people who don't know where else to look about sexual desire. both satisfy the desires of the reader to live in a fantasy world. both have very little sex in them. both are poorly characterized and executed. both were written to make money.
clearly, i am AN INFORMED HATER. initially i was only condescending of the BOOKS, the half-assed way in which they are WRITTEN, and the off-putting, bizarre PLOT POINTS and THEMES in the books. why would i possibly elaborate on those points further, or in a more respectful way, when other people say they might read these books, and i could save them the trouble by summarizing things that could possibly make them want to vomit in their own mouths? things that even put ME off, a female who enjoys reading? potentially one of the people the books have been specifically marketed to?
YOU redirected this distaste by your own conduct.
you cannot deny that the "character" essentially said he wanted to fuck a baby once he could technically fuck that baby. in the 21st century? in the US of A? i didn't smarten it up CAUSE IT AIN'T SMART, dumbass. it's idiotic. that's some ass-backwards, backwoods shit right there. it is shortsighted, lacks social insight and is entirely distasteful, as are the other points i mentioned. it is probably something you can only overlook if you've read too much into the rest of the books and you're already so into it that you won't care. it's an obvious and sick way to appease the fans of the werewolf for not winning the loser girl over the dead guy who calls himself a vegetarian, despite the fact that he drinks the blood of animals. is that better?
those spoilers don't pretty it up. there's no reason to. that's what happens in the books, and it sounds stupid 'cause it is FUCKING STUPID. i don't want anyone to waste their precious time reading this shit in a quest for vagina that happens to have morons attached. buying tequila is more enjoyable for both parties, far quicker, and won't rot your brains as instantly.
i misconstrued nothing. i was dismissive of the books because they deserve it. you were dismissive of me (because i informed people, and by doing so, potentially made them haters due to the accurately ridiculous information i presented), as you were across the board to practically everyone who responded to this pathetic excuse for a GFD (though, nice attempt at backtracking, ICWHUTUDIDTHURR), because your vagina hurts. then i was dismissive (or as you say, judgmental) of you for believing they genuinely have literary merit; for blaming others for your own obnoxious behavior; being so unfortunately and doggedly defensive of an interest that you happen to share with juveniles to people who don't care, manifesting a self-fulfilling prophecy of people hating you, but not for the reasons that you think; for not realizing these books can and will only garner cultural, trivial merit; a future soundbyte in a vh1 "i love the...." lineup in five years for being a brief phenomenon. like the movie "clueless." or the spice girls. or trapper keepers. or mc hammer pants. no matter how much value you read into it or how much time you spend being ridiculed for it, this will pass.
the trouble with bad books, when they become popular, is that people think that just because they enjoyed reading them, they're actually good literature. what a world they're missing out on.
you claimed people hated you for liking the books when they really just hate the books. they start hating you when you take it personally. case in point.
i've practically written a senior thesis at this point. now GO FORTH AND LEARN SOMETHING, and write a BETTER GFD next time if you've survived the hazing. |
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Jesus Fuck, get over yourself.........
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oh, how i wish my time was valuable.
| by raven | (duz ur face hurt its killin me) | | on Aug 7, 2010 12:11:03 AM | | (#28934) |
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oh, i'm not angry.
i'm downright amused.
i bitchslapped you, mostly out of boredom, but also because you are totally ignorant of real literature, a subject matter i sadly invested a good deal of money earning a lofty degree in, which i have earned nothing back for... a wound i can only nurture with the salve of my own knowledge of the topic when applicable. to suggest that THAT tripe tweenager bullshit has thought-inspiring literary themes is goddamned laughable. FURTHERMORE, you're asking a bunch of people ten years older than you (or more!) to support you in your ill-fated quest for social acceptance (which is retarded) despite publicly liking something so easily ridiculed (that is also retarded).
you did ask for it. you told me i was wrong without proving you actually absorbed, nay, even read, what i wrote. fuck that noise, kid sister!
you saying, "I'm not going to change who I am because you or anyone else aren't okay with it," despite its grammatical failings, is the brightest thing you've posted so far. if you don't give a fuck what those trend-follower/trend-haters think, accept that they won't accept you and move the fuck on. you won't give a fuck about those assholes in ten years anyway, so you shouldn't now. obviously they're not your friends if they're going to make fun of you over a retarded book that's no less retarded just because it is not "underground" anymore. SEE, I READ WHAT YOU WROTE. AND I UNDERSTOOD IT. THE FIRST TIME.
that's all i was trying to say, so i guess in some beating-over-the-head kind of way, you somehow picked up on that. KUDOS!
oh, and if you don't like me, fuck off. LESSON NUMBER ONE. |
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Informed hater give you
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I will.
| by Anza | (themagnificentscribe@yahoo.com) | | on Jul 26, 2010 10:40:59 AM | | (#28842) |
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Because, thank you, you proved exactly what I'm talking about. You dislike me because I like Twilight. Without actually knowing me. Without actually considering my position at all. So, good job, "Informed Hater"
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Let us not try to justify Gaylight. If you watch Gaylight, you are a complete moron. There is no argument possible.
If you watch their Gaylord Moon sequel, you are an even bigger idiot.
If you are into the whole vampire thing, you are retarded.
If you try to apologize/explain/rationalize your taste for the aforementioned, you are a waste of sperm and egg.
Now fuck off and shut up about this faggotry. |
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.....you in the face with the throbbing boner of fallacy here. I didn't read the books. However, because I willing to do the little extras for vagina, I was forced to watch the two brain farts back to back one night. They simply sucked. I hated them. Because I have made the choice to hate them based on my opinions of them, opinions which are subjective and cannot be right or wrong, I am an informed hater regardless of how my hatred for them came to be. I could choose to hate them based on a critical analysis or just simply hate them because liking them "is gay". I will never read the books. Even if they were well written technically I will never read them because I hate chick-lit type crap. Once again, a subjective opinion that cannot be right or wrong. See how that works? I'm sure people don't simply dislike you when they find out you enjoy the books. I hate the whole Twilight thing (an informed choice because I was informed by my own brain that I have tastes (subjective also) that this horseshit does not appease) yet, though this girl was all about the Twilight crap, I still fucked her so good she soaked both sides of the matress and we had to sleep on the sofa. It's your shitty attitude. I've read your arguments and it is obvious, no matter what reason a person would come up with for hating Twilight, you will see it your way. By my definition this makes you an informed fan. By yours, Im still an un-informed hater. And, by the world's definition, it makes you a zealot. Most people hate zealots. Just look at Tom Cruise!
Why not keep your opinion to yourself and go read your little books in privacy and enjoy them quietly instead of seeking approval from a bunch of invisible people on the interwebs? I also watched "Mean Girls" and found it to be a clever little movie regardless of the fact that the majority of the cast were from generation zero. You didn't see me starting arguments defending it. Or, maybe you got your period. Either way, it's a phase. Your period, much like these kinds of fads, will go away and the emotional roller coaster will be over until next month when a new one starts. |
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Couldn't let this gem pass by unnoticed...
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"I still fucked her so good she soaked both sides of the matress and we had to sleep on the sofa." - murdersgalore
Did she make you wear body glitter and lots of hair gel?
Was it her idea for you to lay in a tub of ice water for ten minutes before you had sex?
At the height of her pleasure did she shout out, "Call me Bella! Call me Bella!"
Sorry man, had to do it...
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because a) you read and b) you were actually quite capable of written communication, a gem in your generation for sure.
As to the substance of your words, which I'm sure you agonized over, again, kudos for the effort and skill, let me see if I get the gist:
Twilight is a fucking awesome book/series
Twilight movie fans, are screaming morons, you are not them.
It isn't fair to lump you in with those other people.
That about sums it up, do you agree?
Here is my side of the argument.
1. It is human nature to judge, and to stereotype - this fact of the human condition will never be changed by laws or liberals, it is just a fact.
2. Life ain't fucking fair. As this is the keystone of my assertion, I will repeat it, LIFE AIN'T FUCKING FAIR. In the greater scheme of problems in life, this isn't even whale shit on the bottom of the ocean in importance.
3. Whomever told you life should be fair was either a fucking delusional "progressive" or liberal, or a moron with zero goddamn life experience. So, get the fuck over your "everybody is out to get me" attitude and laugh at yourself.
So fucking what, you enjoy Twilight, I enjoy erotica, Gone With the Wind, Stephen King and Hunter Thompson, who the fuck cares? I've been "lumped" and teased by the fucking idiots I call friends, human nature to pick on people.
So, find some good shit on your friends (you know, shit like your friend that lets her dog lick her off, or the guy that sniffs girls undies, whatever), and throw it in their faces when they fuck with you about your sacred texts.
One final thought. If you are being persecuted, maybe you should quit carrying the stupid fucking books with you everywhere, opining about the literary genius that they are. Keep that shit to yourself, do it in private, like masturbating, and you wouldn't have these fucking woes. |
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Fair Enough.
| by Anza | (themagnificentscribe@yahoo.com) | | on Aug 2, 2010 07:14:34 PM | | (#28912) |
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Fuck you, and fuck your shitty book.
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You, missy, don't understand a god damn thing about what hate really is, so I'm now going to teach you. Hate isn't "informed". Hate isn't rational. Hate wants to see you burn because it honestly believes that you deserve to suffer.
You're a child who's caught up in a zeitgeist about magical blood-sucking fairy lampreys, and so is everyone else. The worst part is, you don't even know why. I'll teach you that, too.
Why is vampirism so chic right now? One could posit that vampires represent the total rejection of Freudian thought. The vampire is not a living animal, thus it has no id; it is not rational, thus it has no ego; and it is not spiritual, thus it has no superego. It is the antithesis of human, an unholy, urge-fueled caricature of life. In simpler language, the vampire has no responsibilities. That's why we all want to be them. That's who we are.
But it goes even deeper than that for Twilight, which is specifically targeted to fragile, nervous young women (and others who identify with them, specifically middle-aged child-women and homosexual men). With Twilight, you get an upgrade to your Crowleyesque hedonism fetish; you get true, lasting, unbreakable commitment. Young girls used to read books about finding the right young man and getting married; ironically, in the modern age it's even more of a fairy tale to believe in lasting matrimony. Vampirism is a commitment you can't back out of; finally, something will be with you for all eternity.
Get your head out of your ass, kid. You're a sap. |
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it never ceases to amaze me
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Ouch.
| by Anza | (themagnificentscribe@yahoo.com) | | on Aug 2, 2010 07:21:40 PM | | (#28913) |
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Did you actually read what I wrote up there?
I enjoy Twilight because it is Literarily (which is not a word, before I'm called on that too) Stimulating experience, flirting with modern day issues and ancient ones alike. It can teach its target audience about literature, like a "for-beginners" course.
I don't need the analysis, although it was interesting. What I need is for you to know that I'm not a sap, and I'd appreciate it if you don't call me missy. I do have an informed perspective. |
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"did you actually read what i wrote. .."
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Yeah it said ....twilight bla bla bla...low self-esteem bla...bla bla ...Hot Topic..bl bla blaghahhh... need validation from GFD members....bla bla blab fuck ass!
On the bright side ... bla bla blah at least u read
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You're too defensive to stand up well.. chill
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Kiss my ass, missy.
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Twilight is a "literarily stimulating experience" like this bowl of Cheetos I'm munching on is part of a nutritious breakfast. Sure, I could probably fool myself into thinking that if I worked really, really hard at it, but at the end of the day I'm still a horrible fatass.
Mind you, it *is* a stimulating experience, just not the kind you're thinking about. I eat them Cheetos because, damn the consequences, they are FUCKING DELICIOUS. And that's why you read Twilight, missy: because you like getting your jollies off of half-demon rape-baby fantasies. The only problem is that your head's too far up your own ass for you to admit it. You've bought into the hype; you're the next generation Harry Potter shmuck, willing to spend endless time and money on a universe that you're unable to see for what it truly is -- an identity validation scam.
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I am utterly astounded by the comments left here. In fact, I almost decided not to comment on sheer basis that there is no way I can compete with some of things already posted here. But I, like so many others, want to be heard. Please bear with me, I am not half as talented as some of the other GFD members.
I have never read Twilight. I've thought about it once or twice simply because I'd like to figure out why everyone is so damned interested in a guy who fucking sparkles. Personally I don't really associate "real man" with "glitter" but that could simply be because I'm weird.
Is it really so fucked up as to perform c-sections with fangs and shit? That's a bit too fucked up, and I've read "Flowers in the Attic" by V.C. Andrews. (It's a twisted chick-lit involving incest, in case you didn't know) If it is that fucked off, maybe you shouldn't go around trying to tell everyone that it is intellectually stimulating. That kind of shit is not healthy for your psyche. If you like it, whatever. I don't give a fuck. But really, don't complain about people hating you for liking it. Welcome to the real world. We'll hate whoever we fucking want with or without good reason. End of story. If you don't like it, lock your doors, board your windows, and stop trying to interact with other human beings. And that won't stop people from hating you, you'll just less aware of it. |
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